*** Search Effectiveness of FLIR *** Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 21:15:37 -0500 From: Grenzstein@aol.com To: sar-l@islandnet.com Subject: Re: FLIR questions Hi all, First, thanks to all of you who responded both on and off the list regarding my FLIR questions. I've learned a lot already and not only about FLIR. This list is marvelous vehicle when used properly. Re: FLIR. I have received both pro and con responses towards FLIR. I appreciate the honesty of those who do have some extensive knowledge of FLIR and conceded some limitations. I did receive some stories of FLIR successes to add balance to my knowledge. Based on what I've read so far, I have modified my opinion to accept it as a specialty tool that is effective under the proper conditions, best used in flight, with a knowledgable pilot(should go without saying) and operator. It is not a tool to just pick up and use. I've been told that it sometimes does not work well in the heat of the day, which makes sense. It also may not work well with a hypothermic victim in cold, wet weather under a heavy forest canopy. Since there seems to be a somewhat limited use for FLIR in SAR, I think a search manager should be knowlegable of these limitations so he/she would dispatch another resource to re-search areas covered by FLIR in less than desirable conditions. I have two more questions: 1. Even though FLIR reads infrared images, is it also necessary for it to acclimate itself to ambient heat sources, like the heat detector, to create an accurate image? 2. If so, could FLIR then read false images if it passed quickly, as in a 'copter, from an area that retained heat such as rocky areas to maybe a cooler drainage or vice versa without having time to acclimate itself to the new ambient backgound temperature? (I use this example because here in northern NJ we have thousands of not only large, but small pockets of glacial moraine intermixed in forested areas and "hogbacks" creating many temperature differentials. I fear a person's image might get lost in a pocket of moraine, even for a time after sundown.) Thanks. Pete Bremy West Milford, NJ *** FLIR / Arial Imagery in Searches *** Re: Image Enhancement (Stan Nowak) Keywords: SAR Infra-red arial night search Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 22:22:56 GMT From: Will Flor, 1LT CAP Greetings to our Canadian counterparts from Civil Air Patrol! We've coordinated with military helicopters using FLIR at night, but haven't used them ourselves. FLIR is very useful for finding moving targets but stationary ones are easily missed. Last year it took many man-hours of flying for two experienced U.S Army FLIR operators to find a crashed plane and stationary survivor in a marsh at night, and the temperature was in the 40s F. In warmer temperatures, it's harder. The find was only finally made when we got an eyewitness report of a flyover from a farmer, which narrowed the search area. FLIR is a useful search tool but it's easily overrated by those not experienced with it's limitations. For water searches at night it would probably be extremely useful, but I have no experience there. I know that in the search mentioned above, it was very difficult to distinguish the aircraft wreckage and survivor from clumps of grass and wildlife. Overhead imagery: Re: Image Enhancement (Stan Nowak) Keywords: SAR Infra-red image enhancement arial night search Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 18:39:55 GMT From: irvin lichtenstein I have used helicopter mounted FLIR (JetRanger, Messerschmidt 117, Kaman SH2) with little success. This usually due to the sameness of the area and or presence of heavy woods and trees. Good images on film or disk require the services of a photo interpreter, not easy to find even in the military. The desk top computer software can help if you have it, a high speed graphics machine and the right periperals to get the image in and out. (Anybody got a spare Silicon Graphics 8x8 server to loan us?) If you have access to a military photo recon outfit use them. Hand held optics are about useless in a light aircraft and definitely useless in a helicopter without stabilization The new gyro mounts for the TV news cameras could produce some very good images with long lenses and low light levels or amplifiers .... Will try to follow up on the news idea. Irv Lichtenstein 215-233-3360 voice 215 233-2343 fax. No e mail yet. ------------------- -------------------------------